Catholic Reference Extension

July 27, 2007 at 13:56

Filed under: Uncategorized — Pistos @ 13:56

About

The CRE is a Wordpress plugin which activates both Scripture references and references to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, showing non-intrusive popups when you mouseover them.

Example

Jesus builds his church: Matthew 16:16-18. One holy, catholic and apostolic Church: CCC 748,750. The ark of the New Covenant: Revelation 11:19; 12:1-2.

Download

Wordpress Plugin

Version 0.8.13 released 2007-11-20.

  • Version 0.8.13, without texts zip 25kb | tar.bz2 23kb
  • Version 0.8.13, with texts zip 2092kb | tar.bz2 1460 kb

Texts

The CRE needs the texts in order to do its work. If you did not obtain the full package (above), then download these texts and unpack them in your catholic-reference/ plugin directory. They will be stored under catholic-reference/texts/.

Usage

Type this See this
John 3:16 John 3:16
CCC 1843 CCC 1843
`Matt. 28:20
Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
`CCC 987
CCC 987
¶987 "In the forgiveness of sins, both priests and sacraments are instruments which our Lord Jesus Christ, the only author and liberal giver of salvation, wills to use in order to efface our sins and give us the grace of justification" (Roman Catechism, I, 11, 6).
!Isa. 60:53-20 Isa. 60:53-20
!CCC 740-750 CCC 740-750
[nocathref] No references activated: CCC 860-862 Sirach 2:1 No references activated: CCC 860-862 Sirach 2:1

Sites Using the CRE

Blog Hosts

Blogs

Matthew 16:16-18
View in: NAB NIV KJV NJB Vulg Greek
16Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Revelation 11:19; 12:1-2
View in: NAB NIV KJV NJB Vulg Greek
1119And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail.
121And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.
John 3:16
View in: NAB NIV KJV NJB Vulg Greek
16For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
CCC 748,750
¶748 "Christ is the light of humanity; and it is, accordingly, the heart-felt desire of this sacred Council, being gathered together in the Holy Spirit, that, by proclaiming his Gospel to every creature, it may bring to all men that light of Christ which shines out visibly from the Church." These words open the Second Vatican Council's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church. By choosing this starting point, the Council demonstrates that the article of faith about the Church depends entirely on the articles concerning Christ Jesus. The Church has no other light than Christ's; according to a favorite image of the Church Fathers, the Church is like the moon, all its light reflected from the sun.
¶750 To believe that the Church is "holy" and "catholic," and that she is "one" and "apostolic" (as the Nicene Creed adds), is inseparable from belief in God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In the Apostles' Creed we profess "one Holy Church" (Credo . . . Ecclesiam), and not to believe in the Church, so as not to confuse God with his works and to attribute clearly to God's goodness all the gifts he has bestowed on his Church.
CCC 1843
¶1843 By hope we desire, and with steadfast trust await from God, eternal life and the graces to merit it.
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  1. Comment by phatcatholic — July 30, 2007 @ 18:11

    Any chance of making something like this for Blogger? I would be indebted to you for the rest of my life.

  2. Comment by Pistos — July 30, 2007 @ 21:34

    phatcatholic: Thank you for stopping by! I have called it the “Catholic Reference Extension” (as opposed to the “Catholic Reference Plugin” for Wordpress) because I intended from the start to port it to as many blogging platforms as I can muster. Indeed, Blogger seems to be a very popular blogging service for Catholic bloggers, so I would be wiping out a large section of my target audience if I were not to make a Blogger plugin.

    Truth be told, however, I will have to approach this with some determination, because from what I have learned so far, Blogger plugins are entirely Javascript-based. That makes it somewhat more challenging — though not impossible.

    I want to concentrate first on stabilizing the Wordpress version of the CRE, then I will decide on the next platform based on popularity.

    By the way, how did you find this? I haven’t publicized this plugin at all. :) It’s still in the early testing stages, and I want to ensure it’s a solid product before spreading the word about it.

  3. Comment by Pistos — July 30, 2007 @ 22:59

    I’ve done some further investigation, and it doesn’t look promising. There are two approaches that I see:

    1. Webservice. This would entail me putting up some sort of public AJAX service which would serve the scripture and CCC passages. That means I would shoulder the service burden for every single page view of every blog that uses the CRE on it. This might work in the short term, but that would never scale, at least not without some monetary expenditure on my part.

    2. Local software. If a blogger.com user wishes to use the CRE with their blog, they’ll have to download and install some software (which I’d write). This software will remotely interact with the blog (via the API that Google provides) and modify the post text to “activate” the Scripture and CCC references. Downside of this approach: Annoyance factor of having to install software and use it to update the posts in a process distinct from the actual posting on the blog.

    So, if you think option 2 is acceptable to you, I might consider programming something to that effect, but I don’t see that getting popular.

    Blogger.com may be alright for basic blogging, but it is a limited platform when compared to things like Moveable Type and Wordpress, which are controlled server side. In contrast, you have no control over the blog software that is run at blogger.com. Obviously, I don’t anticipate too many people will change blogging platforms for the sake of a single extension.

    Your thoughts? :)

  4. Comment by Pistos — July 30, 2007 @ 23:05

    It may be worth mentioning, though, that Wordpress seems to have Import capabilities for Blogger and LiveJournal (among others). I’ve never used this feature, but you might consider exploring this avenue. ;)

  5. Comment by Nate — August 2, 2007 @ 12:50

    What is the default bible translation? NAB?

  6. Comment by Pistos — August 2, 2007 @ 12:53

    Nate: At the moment, it is the Douay-Rheims. I’m not married to that, though. At the same time, I’m trying to respect copyright and generally play nice.

  7. Comment by Roz — August 28, 2007 @ 12:13

    Hoo-rah! I’m currently at Blogger, but my husband is using Wordpress. This is a great resources. Thanks so much. Congrats on making wordpress.org.

  8. Comment by Pistos — August 28, 2007 @ 14:05

    Praise be to God! :) What’s your husband’s blog?

  9. Comment by Javier Plumey — October 12, 2007 @ 00:18

    This is a great plugin. We are going to start using it on our show’s site and a new site we are building. I’ll keep you posted! Keep up the great work. Once I have had a chance to play with it I will leave more comments.

    A couple of features for future releases:
    - Links to paragraphs within encyclicals and apostolic letters
    - Google Map integration for locations within Bible versus

  10. Comment by Pistos — October 12, 2007 @ 10:18

    Hi, Javier. Thanks for stopping by, and for your comments. I’d love to be kept informed about how things go with it. Don’t hesitate to ask for help or new features.

    Your two suggestions are interesting! I’ll give them some thought.

    God bless!

  11. Comment by Scott — October 15, 2007 @ 09:46

    This is very cool. I’m going to use this plugin for a Catholic blog that I am developing.

    Any chance of a NSRV version?

    God bless,

    Scott

    PS: You’ve been Stumbled! so you should see a bit of an increase in traffic.

  12. Comment by Pistos — October 15, 2007 @ 10:09

    Thanks for stopping by. Let me know how it goes with your new blog. I can definitely supplement the core texts with any legally available translations. Get your blog going, then we can talk more about that.

    Thank you very much for the Stumbleupon thumb up, I appreciate it. :)

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  14. Comment by Aristotle A. Esguerra — November 11, 2007 @ 23:49

    Wonderful plugin! I’ve been looking for something like this for a long time.

    I’m a bit of a stickler when it comes to standards compliance, so I (actually, my HTML Tidy Firefox plugin) noticed a couple of things that could be addressed regarding this:

    1. Replacing & with & in the query strings (I was able to do this without a hitch.)

    2. Replacing the proprietary closeid, refid, popid tags with something standards-based. (I understand why these are there, but don’t know what to do to make these things compliant.)

    3. Replacing the deprecated ‘target’ attribute.

    Something a bit more problematic that needs to be addressed in the code is the discrepancy in the numbering of Psalms in the Vulgate/Douay versus the other translations.

    Also, it would be great if one window can be generated for citations of Scripture that span more than one chapter (for example, “Philippians 3:17-21; 4:1-3″). Currently, the code doesn’t recognize the semicolon in the example citation.

    That said, this is exactly what I’ve been looking for…and it has a lot of potential!

  15. Comment by Pistos — November 12, 2007 @ 11:08

    Hi, Aristotle. Thanks for checking out the plugin, and for your comments.

    I will change & to &.

    Replacing the proprietary closeid, refid, popid tags with something standards-based. (I understand why these are there, but don’t know what to do to make these things compliant.)

    This could be done with some ugly hackery and embedding of the data, but I think using proprietary tags makes the code cleaner and simpler. I will ponder some possible options.

    I will put in an admin option that lets you choose whether to use a target attribute or not on the anchors. See also “Standards-Compliant New Windows” for a Javascript-free way to have compliant pages that also use target attributes.

    I will see about an option that would try to compensate for the Psalm numbering difference (which I was aware of).

    I’ll look into the semicolon-separated listings. As we know, it is a popular convention.

  16. Comment by Aristotle A. Esguerra — November 15, 2007 @ 00:10

    Thanks for the prompt response. I’ve just incorporated the plugin onto my blog.

    I see two corrections to the code that need to be made at this point:

    1. NAB psalm directory is currently “/psalms/” instead of “/psalm/”
    2. &version should be changed to &version.

    One more idea:

    I know a fair number of Catholic bloggers (especially those who are liturgically inclined) who like to proof-text documents of Vatican II as well as papal writings; is the current architecture capable of incorporating these additions in future releases? I would even be willing to edit these documents into an appropriate format if desired.

  17. Comment by Pistos — November 15, 2007 @ 00:36

    Aristotle: Thanks for testing it out, and thanks for your quick and pointed feedback. It is both helpful and appreciated.

    I have made the two changes, and am testing them out on my own blog before making another release.

    The CRE design is such that it would not be too great a stretch to do the same thing with other documents and sources. Indeed, you’re not the first to ask for something like this. Your offer to edit the documents is also most appreciated! Be careful, as I may just take you up on that. ;)

    Which documents do you think would be most desirable to start with? And who might these other Catholic bloggers be? I should point out that, at present, the CRE only works with personally-hosted Wordpress installations. Wordpress blogs hosted at wordpress.com, as well as blogs running other software (MoveableType, TypePad, Blogger, etc.) are not supported at this time.

  18. Comment by Aristotle A. Esguerra — November 15, 2007 @ 02:49

    I know that there have been people that have shared their reflections on the Vatican II documents, as well as other writings.

    Perhaps these texts could be downloaded a la carte, or prepared as demanded.

    Kindly send me a personal e-mail; I’ll give you the couple of sites I’m aware of off-thread.

    I’ve also done some work on the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and have a couple of questions that I’d like you to address.

    Thanks so much!

  19. Comment by Scott — November 15, 2007 @ 08:24

    “Which documents do you think would be most desirable to start with?”

    Summa Theologica? ;-)

  20. Comment by Pistos — November 15, 2007 @ 09:33

    Aristotle, Scott: I was thinking that I would like to begin with documents that people already have referenced numerous times in their blogs, so we could see it in action right away.

    Aristotle: I will contact you by e-mail.

  21. Comment by Scott — November 15, 2007 @ 10:58

    I plan on taking a more mystical approach to my blog, so I was only 1/2 joking about the St. T of A reference.

    I agree that the Catechism would be a good addition, and the full text is available from the Vatican online as well.

  22. Comment by Mike Roesch — November 15, 2007 @ 23:25

    This is a wonderful tool! I’m considering adding it to my site, but the limitation to the Douay-Rheims kind of has me iffy (I’m currently using the ESV plugin, as that translation seems awfully close to the RSV 2nd Catholic edition).

    I think the RSV (with the Apocrypha, though not the Catholic edition) has been pretty open with regard to licenses for computer things such as this, if you ask them.

    Apart from that, my one suggestion is to make it clear to readers that the links in the box open new windows to show the other translations. One might expect clicking “NAB” to make the text simply switch from Douay to NAB in the pop-up.

  23. Comment by Pistos — November 16, 2007 @ 09:36

    Hi, Mike. Thank you for checking out the CRE.

    As a matter of fact, the RSV-CE is my favourite translation, and I am very much open to making more translations available to CRE users, giving them the option to pick which one is used in the popups. I will explore the possibility of using the Protestant RSV, or the RSV-CE, or the ESV. My only concern is violation of copyright, or otherwise depriving biblical translators of their rightful dues. If you had any URLs that would help appease my apprehensions, please let me know. :)

    What would be the best way to indicate that the links open in new windows? I’m thinking perhaps I will change “View in” to “Open in”.

  24. Comment by Pistos — November 16, 2007 @ 10:13

    Regarding the RSV: consider this notice which was put up just this year. An online RSV was taken down. I also note that the RSV is not one of the translations searchable at the popular Protestant site, BibleGateway.com (though the ESV is).

    Here are the use policies for the RSV and NRSV. As far as I can tell, my use would fall outside of the domain of permissionless quoting, on account of me including the entire text as a downloadable add-on to the CRE. It does look like an individual blogger might be able to stay within the policies on a post-by-post basis, though.

  25. Comment by Pistos — November 16, 2007 @ 10:18

    Confusingly, I see that EWTN offers a Bible search using the RSV-CE. I will add a link to this in the CRE.

  26. Comment by Scott — November 16, 2007 @ 10:37

    The NRSV policy doesn’t seem to preclude you using the entire bible in a database, provided you speak to them before you do it. There are online Bible sites who host full texts (BibleGateway comes immediately to mind) so I bet the NRSV folks have dealt with similar situations.

    Since the CRE has such great potential to share the Word, I bet that you could make a case for backing up their full database as long as you didn’t sell it to anyone.

  27. Comment by Pistos — November 16, 2007 @ 10:53

    Scott: Well, a distinction needs to be drawn between

    (a) me (a single host or website) storing the full text, and making small excerpts available to others, and
    (b) me making the full text available to others (bloggers) for use on their sites.

    While (a) might be acceptable, but I suspect (b) is not. Nevertheless, I may try to contact the copyright holder and see what the possibilities are.

  28. Comment by Scott — November 16, 2007 @ 11:19

    That’s a very good point. Maybe they are nice people and they’ll see the value in this extension. ;-)

    BTW I noticed that I was nattering on about including the Catechism in earlier comment. I’m not quite sure why I forgot that the extension already includes the CCC…

  29. Comment by Christopher — November 16, 2007 @ 12:40

    Hi, I installed the plugin and configured it (fixed the CSS colors)

    I noticed that on my site, the popup doesn’t work nor can I click on a bible link for it to open.
    The text excerpt works fine.

    You can see the problem here:
    http://sacreddevotion.com/2007/11/12/infant-holy-infant-lowly-lyrics/

    At least for me, no pop-up. I tried in Firefox and Explorer on a PC running Vista.
    The text excerpt works great.

    I hope you’ll let me know how to add other bibles to the plugin.

    Feel free to add mine to the list of sites using the plugin.

  30. Comment by Pistos — November 16, 2007 @ 13:55

    Christopher: I believe I have fixed this in 0.8.10. Try to upgrade to this version, and let me know if that does or does not fix the problem. (Don’t forget to backup your CSS.)

  31. Comment by Christopher — November 16, 2007 @ 14:29

    Hi,
    That fix worked! I just changed the colors back in the CSS to match my site now: http://sacreddevotion.com/2007/11/12/infant-holy-infant-lowly-lyrics/
    displays the pop up correctly.

    I have another idea to make this better. In addition to using ! to disable the popup, it would be useful if the write page would have an option (in the sidebar) to disable the popup by Post.
    Say for example you have a page that mentions many verses. It would be useful to just select to disable the popup for the post instead of every instance.

    Thank you for fixing my bug/conflict.

  32. Comment by Pistos — November 19, 2007 @ 16:17

    Christopher: Try the latest version. I added a feature which is not quite a clickable option, but it is something that accomplishes what you wanted. When I tried to implement a clickable checkbox or something, it looked too obtrusive.

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  34. Comment by Moris Polanco — November 21, 2007 @ 17:42

    Hi,

    I have installed your Catholic Reference Plugin in my site. I think is great, really, and I appreciate your generosity.
    I am a Latin teacher, and run a blog about Latin language, in Spanish, and I thought it would be great to make something similar to the Catholic Reference for the classic authors (Vergil, Cicero…). So, I started to modify you plugin –just as a test– and managed to add a book of the Aeneid.
    (You can see it working in http://lengualatina.org/blog/archives/22). But I realize that in order to install both puglins (I pretend to call this one ERTAC - Extension de Referencia de Autores Clasicos) I need to change the names of the .php, .css and .js files. However, when I rename them, the plugin does not work. Can you tell me if it is possible to change the names, or if there is any other way to avoid conflic? I’ll appreciate your help (I am a philosopher, not a progammer).

    Thanks, and God bless you too.

    Moris

  35. Comment by Pistos — November 22, 2007 @ 10:20

    Hello, Moris. Thank you for using the CRE.

    I think it would be best if development efforts were consolidated. I don’t mind adding even secular texts as downloadable add-ons to the CRE. Why don’t you post your full code (including the Latin texts) to Pastie and then give me the URLs to the pastes. I will look over your stuff, and then incorporate as much as I can, so that the CRE can accommodate user-added texts.

  36. Comment by Moris Polanco — November 22, 2007 @ 10:55

    Actually, I thought that as a first instance. The only problem I find is the name… Some people could think that it is only about Catholic references. What do you think?

  37. Comment by Christopher — November 22, 2007 @ 11:34

    I think the idea of making additional texts as possible sepatate downloads is great.

    Is there a guide for preparing a text for use with the plugin?

  38. Comment by Pistos — November 22, 2007 @ 12:43

    Moris: Marketing issues are my problem. ;) If you, as an “inside” user, know that it can be used beyond Catholic texts, then that’s all you need to know. I may or may not rename the plugin in the future, as I see fit.

    Christopher: The code as it stands is incapable of using generic texts. I will have to modify it.

  39. Comment by Scott — November 22, 2007 @ 13:03

    Got this up and running on a beta for my new site. It’s pretty slick, although is there any way to get the tool to list an entire chapter? I’m thinking specifically of the Psalms, where I’d like to quote a Psalm in its entirety. Right now I’ve got to go look up the line numbers and do something like “Psalm 23: 1-4″.

  40. Comment by Moris Polanco — November 22, 2007 @ 13:08

    Pistos,

    I am not sure if I understand. What does it mean to be an “inside” user?
    My points are:
    1. I’d gladly share classic Latin and Greek texts to be used in the CRE.
    2. I want to make an an extension for classic texts for a Spanish Speaking audience.
    3. Can I use and modify your code to make 2.?

  41. Comment by Pistos — November 22, 2007 @ 13:20

    Moris: The code is GPL, so you can do almost anything you like with it. You just have to stay within the bounds of the GPL.

    I was just saying that I think our efforts would be best spent if you collaborated with me and I kept going as the main developer. I would like to change the code so that texts can easily be formatted and added to any CRE user’s blog.

  42. Comment by Moris Polanco — November 22, 2007 @ 13:26

    Pistos: you are absolutely right. I could make the Spanish version… I am interested in Scripture, but not as much as in the Classics. I will start with Latin texts, and then I will add Scriptures. What about the name?

  43. Comment by Pistos — November 22, 2007 @ 13:43

    Moris: If you fork the project and make your own version of the plugin, then you can name it whatever you like. :) But why don’t you give me the URL of one or two of the Classics texts you would like to see included? I will begin work on their incorporation.

  44. Comment by Pistos — November 22, 2007 @ 13:45

    Scott: I’ll see what I can do. In the mean time, you can do something like Psalm 23:1-100, though that may look strange.

  45. Comment by Moris Polanco — November 22, 2007 @ 15:19

    Pistos: what I am doing is downloading texts from gutenberg.org and then formatting them with text editor.

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  50. Comment by Bob — March 10, 2008 @ 20:20

    Pistos: Thank you for your plugin. I’m replacing the D-R version with KJV using the D-R numbering system, and all is well. Is it possible to make the popups “sticky” and movable, so that a reader can view both the full post and the Bible references at the same time? Again, thanks for your contribution.

  51. Comment by Pistos — March 10, 2008 @ 21:54

    Hi, Bob: Thanks for trying the CRE. Sticky will be fairly simple, but movable will be more challenging. I’ll consider it.

  52. Comment by Bob — March 11, 2008 @ 10:50

    Pistos: One reason for wanting moveable popups is that if the popup is near an embedded flash audio player, the popup does not display properly. You can see this effect at http://www.actsseventeen.com/2008/03/02/audio_2008-03-02am
    (Obviously, with CRE I won’t need to type the text any more!)
    Thanks again.

  53. Comment by mercime — April 21, 2008 @ 12:48

    Wow, this is wonderful work. Very Nice. Would you happen to know if this works in WP 2.5 or in WordPressMU? I would like to refer this to friends - priests and laymen - who are blogging in both platforms. Awesome.

    Thank you and may God continue to bless you.

  54. Comment by Pistos — April 21, 2008 @ 14:12

    mercime: This blog is (at the time of your comment) running on Wordpress 2.5, so yes, it works with WP 2.5.

    CatholicDestination.com is running Wordpress MU, and it works for them.

  55. Comment by mercime — April 21, 2008 @ 18:25

    Pistos. I was excited at finding this extension, I didn’t even check the source code of this page re WP v2.5 :-) May I assume that for WPMU installation, this is placed in the regular plugin folder instead of the mu-plugin folder?
    Thank you very much for the info.

  56. Comment by Pistos — April 21, 2008 @ 22:04

    I’ve actually never run WPMU, so I wouldn’t know. It doesn’t sound hard to test both places, though, right? :)

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  58. Comment by Lukas — May 16, 2008 @ 04:03

    Runs on WPMU as you can see it on my site here.

    The only problem i encounter is whenever i try to gzip my site, the plugin stops working. It would be nice to know if there is a fix around this. Other than that, excellent plugin!

  59. Comment by Lukas — May 16, 2008 @ 04:08

    mercime, yes, i installed it on my regular plugin folder instead of the mu-plugin folder and it works. My site runs on the latest build of WPMU (version 1.5.1). Hope this helps!

  60. Comment by Pistos — May 16, 2008 @ 05:32

    Lukas: So… is it working even when gzipped, or should I investigate a problem?

  61. Comment by Lukas — May 16, 2008 @ 08:24

    Hi Pistos, unfortunately it does not work when site is gzipped. I have my site running without the gzip but WP-Cache is enabled though. I use a PHP gzip compression method, btw. If you have a workaround for this i would be greatful. :)

  62. Comment by Lukas — May 16, 2008 @ 08:30

    Another problem I encountered was that after I activated CRE, I got a ‘Done but with errors’ in the admin site. Don’t really know what the problem is, but admin panel seem to work fine

  63. Comment by Pistos — May 16, 2008 @ 09:48

    I use a PHP gzip compression method, btw.

    How exactly are you compressing? mod_gzip, or some PHP-level compression? WP plugin?

    And how exactly is it not working? Rendering 0 bytes? Rendering some bytes, but garbled? Or rendering the correct HTML, but not compressing?

  64. Comment by Lukas — May 16, 2008 @ 11:32

    I have tried WP-plugin wordpress compress and nGzip. I believe they are both php-level compression. They successfully compress the site however, CRE didn’t work. right now we are getting an error message in the admin when we activate CRE. it says ‘done, but with errors on page’ Object doesn’t support this property or method.

  65. Comment by Pistos — May 16, 2008 @ 12:11

    Okay, thanks. I will investigate those two. Meanwhile, have you considered using server-level gzip compression?

  66. Comment by Lukas — May 16, 2008 @ 12:46

    Thank you for taking the time and trouble to help us with our situation.

    I would love to but we’re currently on a shared hosting environment and as you know, we have limited access on how we want Apache to be configured. So we had to use other compression methods. To be honest, we’re self-taught web developers and only at this for less than a year.

  67. Comment by Lukas — May 26, 2008 @ 23:58

    Hi Pistos, any progress with the investigations? Btw, our site is a Catholic blog host and not a personal blog as listed above.

  68. Comment by Pistos — May 27, 2008 @ 08:28

    Lukas: Sorry, I’ve been busy with various things. Could you provide me with homepages or download links to the gzip plugin/module that you think you would settle with? I will try to test it with my own server and blog.

  69. Comment by Lukas — May 28, 2008 @ 13:42

    Pistos: Hi, we managed to solve the gzipping problem using the method in the following site: http://www.killersites.com/mvnforum/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=9276 .I hope that helps. But we are still having problems getting CRE to be xhtml validated and CRE still causes admin panel to be done with errors. Thanks for your time Pistos

  70. Comment by Pistos — May 29, 2008 @ 07:19

    Lukas: You are not the first to bring up markup validity. As I’ve mentioned to others (elsewhere), I am creating invalid markup for the sake of making the plugin code easier to develop and maintain (it is simpler). I don’t anticipate aiming for 100% validity soon; sorry.

    Are the admin panel errors fatal, or do they otherwise prevent you from configuring the CRE?

  71. Comment by mercime — June 16, 2008 @ 17:46

    @Lukas: Thank you for the plugin upload info. Got to upgrade the WPMU install where I consolidated all the blogs of priests and parish ministry leaders - just wary about upgrading to WPMU 1.5.1, so many horror stories heard :-(

    @Pistos: more power to you and thanks again for the plugin!

  72. Comment by Bob — June 24, 2008 @ 08:38

    Pistos,
    I’ve been using CRE for several months now; and I have it displaying the Bible version of my choice.
    Just today I ran into a conflict with the newly installed pageMash plugin’s admin page.
    If I temporarily disable CRE, then pageMash admin works fine.
    The pageMash author suggested adding some exclusion code to CRE so that CRE doesn’t load when the pageMash.php page is open (example: >>>if(strpos($_SERVER[ 'REQUEST_URI' ], ‘pagemash.php’) !== true) {

    //then do include CRE code).
    Do you have a suggestion as to where I should insert such code?
    Otherwise, all is well in Bible Verse Display Land.
    Thanks again for the plugin.

  73. Comment by Pistos — June 25, 2008 @ 14:08

    Bob: I have fixed the issue, and am running the latest CRE now on my own blog before I release it publicly. The problem has to do with the fact that WordPress loads all plugins’ admin headers all the time, so each plugins’ headers (CSS, Javascript, etc.) has the chance to fight with one another. Bad design on WordPress’ part, though I hear there is a way to make your admin_header appear only on specific admin pages (such as your own plugin’s admin page!); and not using a hackish if() statement.

    Anyway, the fix is to upgrade to the latest jQuery. If you want to beta test this along with me, download version 0.8.14 and unpack that over your existing installation. Otherwise just wait a few days for me to make sure I didn’t break anything. :)

  74. Comment by Bob — June 25, 2008 @ 15:14

    Pistos,
    Thanks for the quick reply-and the fix. I’ll let you know how I make out. (And I apologize for not using CODE markup in my previous message)

  75. Comment by Bob — June 25, 2008 @ 17:24

    Pistos,
    It appears that all is well, and pageMash is playing nicely with CRE.
    Thanks!
    And the drop shadow effect is a nice addition.

  76. Comment by Pistos — June 25, 2008 @ 22:15

    Glad it’s working for you, Bob. Beware about the drop shadow, because it affects your RSS feed insofar as it adds a duplicate block of text.

    As well, I think you should be able to go back and edit your own comments on my blog. Look for an “Edit This” link on your comments.

  77. Comment by Bob — June 26, 2008 @ 01:48

    Pistos,
    It seems that the new jquery library prevents my WordPress write-post page from functioning properly. Notably, the arrows for opening and closing options are missing. Again, deactivating CRE temporarily will work around this.

  78. Comment by Pistos — July 3, 2008 @ 12:42

    Okay, Bob, I have finally wrestled WordPress’ hackish nature to the ground, and managed to get it to let things play nicely. Try this updated 0.8.14 tarball.

  79. Comment by Bob — July 3, 2008 @ 14:26

    Pistos, your wrestling practice has paid off, and I think you’re ready for the Olympics. All the kids do seem to be playing nicely now. Thanks for your persistence.

  80. Comment by alberto — July 17, 2008 @ 12:06

    I am using the plugin at http://bws.biblista.net. I find it very useful. Is there a chance of making the references point to the Compendium of Social Doctrines? I would volunteer to provide the text of the compendium. It is already available on the web anyway. Just tell me how to format it and I’ll work on it immediately.

  81. Comment by Pistos — July 17, 2008 @ 13:18

    alberto: Thanks for your comments. Your request falls under the notion of me making the CRE use any generic texts which are appropriately formatted. The code as it stands is not capable of doing this. I’m not sure when I can get around to developing that.

  82. Comment by Healing After Abortion — July 30, 2008 @ 10:43

    This is what we need for our website. Any one can appreciate the amount of work was put into this plugin. Great job!

  83. Comment by Lee Anderson — August 14, 2008 @ 12:44

    Hi,

    What a wonderful extension. I installed it for all of our bloggers on StBlogs.

    Unfortunately, when the plugin is activated, it makes the Upload Media icon disappear.

    So I have had to delete it for now.

    Any ideas? We can’t wait to have this up again.

  84. Comment by Pistos — August 15, 2008 @ 23:14

    Lee: Thank you for your kind comments. Could you describe your situation in greater detail? What version of WP or WP-MU do you have? What version of the CRE? Can you give me a screenshot of the Upload Media icon(s)? Because I see the Add Media icons in my installations regardless of whether the CRE is activated or not.

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